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LET'S GET STUPID!

  • Sep. 25th, 2006 at 4:53 PM
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There's a bit of a meme getting started with drawing men in the ridiculous poses women get into in comic books. Plus the new Wizard "how to draw superheroes" book.

So I went stupid.

First, here's Sammy from Eat the Roses in two of the poses from the Wizard book, plus some other riduculous stuff. Rhea is quite amused.


Actually, not that strange, though. I typically draw my girls in sporty poses (because they're athletes, except for Ed) and Sammy in sort of fluid, curvy spined shapes, because he's a goofball. Mel and Rhea are strong, so get stiffer poses, but curvy = goofy in my world. Except, of course, for Ed, who really does want to look feminine on purpose. And Mel's been in "defeated" pose for most of issue 2. Because... she's feeling defeated. The thing about these drawing "guides" is not that women aren't like that and men aren't like that, it's that they MUST BE LIKE THIS ONLY RAR RARGNASHITTY. Not that you have an option of drawing women as seductresses, but that's just how women are. They don't get muscles. The main difference between them and male superheroes is THEY TILT THEIR HIPS. It'd be hilarious if not so sad. Oh wait, no, hilarious still.

OK, back to superheroes. I'd previously done a doodle of Rogue and Remy and wanted to finally finish it and this seemed like a good oppurtunity, because I'd already drawn Gambit in a sexy pose, showing off his ass. It was easy to take this farther.


Here's my original. I knew I'd have to take off his coat, because MUST SHOW ASS. And I'd need Rogue in a more assertive, commanding pose.

So far so good. He's got a curvy spine, he's leaning against a doorway, head down, tight clothes, prominent ass. You can still get a glimpse of his chest despite also being able to see his butt.

Let's start inking that ass! According to what I'd just read, men are usually drawn with lots of attention to muscle definition and women get nice smooth lines, so I gave him very smooth lines and almost no definition.

OH YEAH.
So next I needed a Rogue to play the part of a superhero male. She had to be fully clothed with no attempt made to show off T&A, only in a pose befitting the situation. So.. something strong, manly....





Now, don't scroll down too fast.








ROGUE IS LARGE AND IN CHARGE!



YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE.



And then I had to stop.

Comments

[info]brown_betty wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2006 09:04 pm (UTC)
aaahaaa! Thank you! This is awesome, my only nit pick is that the anatomy is actually good, which doesn't always happen for the ladies. Can I link to or host this at girl-wonder.org?
[info]ocarina wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2006 09:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was going to try for bad anatomy, but I'm still learning anatomy and didn't want to throw myself off too much. When I get good, I'll do better at drawing badly!

And no problem, link or host away! The pics are on livejournal, so they're cool for remote linking.
[info]dedos wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2006 09:05 pm (UTC)
I am so glad everyone I know has kept on drawing and gotten so good. :') That Gambit looks trés chic!
I haven't drawn steadily in over a year. But I get a desk next week!!!!!!!
*sigh* I'm gonna suck so bad when I start drawing again. But I don't have to post those. :D
[info]ocarina wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
Pshaw! You've always had such a good sense I'm sure it'll take you no time to get back in the groove!

Frank and I both big Gambit fans, so I had to draw him all sexy or face our combined wrath (or something). Because that's what Acadians/Cajuns are. They can't help it.
[info]esyla wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
*snort* Megs, you are awesome.
[info]ocarina wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 03:22 am (UTC)
This is what happens when I draw digitally. There is no thinking-about-it stage as I scan it in. I've created my own monster!
[info]troutman wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2006 10:35 pm (UTC)
Well, leave it to me of all people to come to the defense of the Wizard "How To" series. I LOVE these books. Yes, there are horrible "lessons" (as spotlighted) but there's also some really great and funny stuff in them too (Terry Moore's "How To Draw REALISTIC Women", for example, is simultaneously hilarious and actually informative).

Honestly, the key to loving these books, I think, is that they present the drawing processes of any number of professional artists. Whether you think they're good or not is irrelevant - it's the process that's fascinating. It's great to read artistic tips straight from the horse's mouth. These aren't neccessairly ways that YOU should draw, but it's the way that THEY draw, and the processes of other artists have always intrigued me.

You should give 'em a real flip through sometime if you stop by a comic store again. They're really neat. I have the first three books on my shelf already - volume four just came out but I'm too poor to get it. I mean, they don't even HELP me all that much. They're just fun reads.
[info]ocarina wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 03:21 am (UTC)
Eh, these books are probably just like all the "how to draw comic book style" books - interesting in some ways, utterly useless in others. I have heard good stuff about Terry Moore's contribution, so that'd be worth seeing. It's just what they do show is the opinions of the artists drawing a lot of comic books, and those opinions are, well, horrific. Sure, not everyone is like this, but enough of them are, and they feel comfortable enough to write this crap to be published and Wizard has no problem publishing it.

Whether I think it's good art or not is besides the point. The opinions that lead someone to say something like "superhero men are strong, superhero women are sexy" really digusts me and should probably strike everyone as wrongheaded.
[info]troutman wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 03:26 am (UTC)
That's a fair point. The GOAL of the books are to educate kids in how to draw. My goal when reading them might be entirely different, but that doesn't negate the overall bad influence it could have on future artists. Oh well! They're still fun to read. And aside from those sections on specific techniques, there's still the good "basic" stuff (ie, perspective, stick figures, etc).
[info]ocarina wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)
Perspective just isn't as controversial these days, though!
[info]troutman wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 04:15 am (UTC)
Okay, I just went through my three books and, uh... yeah. The first two books "Heroic Anatomy" and "Character Creation" are almost totally terrible, lesson-wise. And almost each one that involves a woman is horribly offensive.

That said, the "storytelling" book is actually really good, in my opinion. The first book is the horrible figures and the second book is all superhero characters, but the third book is full of things like pacing, shadows, layout, setting, etc. THAT one you might wanna actually look at sometime. Some of the lessons are common sense, but some are like, "Dur, why didn't *I* think of that?"
[info]elanor_pam wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 01:08 am (UTC)
God, that's painful. So painful. And lovely.
[info]ocarina wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 03:23 am (UTC)
Thanks.. I think.. for INFLICTING TEH PAIN! :D
[info]zrana wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
*starts cracking up on the last one* MY SPINE HURTS just looking at him standing there.
[info]aseariel wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 01:28 am (UTC)
AH HA HA HA HA
so true. on all counts :3
[info]glitchphil wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 01:02 pm (UTC)
Most amusing :D
[info]insomniel wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
ah hah hah! that's awesome times infinity, you win the internet! superheroines is a tricky thing to portray if you want to be feminist in any way and i'm pretty feminist in a few ways. or maybe i just like being difficult. probably the latter.

well, my latest comic doesn't have superheroes or superheroines or even any ass whatsoever, but it will be supercool and win me a thousand dollars and tons of admirers and i will laugh at all the other chauvinistic auteurs with their stereotypical spandex-clad meat-heads. or fat-heads.
[info]rjmoya wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2006 03:10 pm (UTC)
This is so awesome.